Toward the end of my last Tribal Author Book Marketing Camp in NYC, I talked about “ninja” book marketing strategies.
These were tactics that were on the cutting-edge. They generally fell into one of 3 categories:
- Strategies that’d either been tried, but not yet refined enough to make sense
- Under-the-radar approaches that nobody had yet tried, and
- Thing’s I’d done or been working on, but never shared publicly
Well, last week, one of these strategies was tested in a very public way.
Tony Hsieh, who many of you know as the founder of Zappos, teamed with group buying service, Groupon, to sell 1,642 copies of his new book, Delivering Happiness (aff link), in about 3 days at $10 a book or 58% off retail price (which is substantially below what even amazon is pre-selling the book for).
For those not in the know, Groupon is the leading group buying website. The way they work is:
- A vendor proposes to have Groupon offer it’s members a particular product or service at a steep discount
- Groupon schedules the offer to go live on their website for a short period of time.
- Groupon then emails their list of up to 3 million (maybe more now) people to tell them about the offer
- People commit to buying whatever is being offered, but…
- The offer does not go live or “tip” until a specified minimum number of people have committed to buying
- People tap social media to spread the word to push the offer to tip, so they get the deal
- Once the minimum is hit, the offer goes live and more people pile on until the offer period ends.
That’s what happens publicly, but what most people don’t know is that, behind the scenes, Groupon takes about 50% of the revenue that comes in and passes the rest along to the vendor. So, for example, in this case, the book was selling for $10. Groupon would take half of that as their fee, leaving you with $5 on a $24 hard cover book.
Because of this, it’s not unusual for businesses to only break even, lose or gain a very small amount. But, if it’s the right product and the right business, Groupon and serivces similar to it, like Living Social, can send thousands of new buyers your way…people who may end up repeat customers at full price.
I’ve been trying to figure out how to make Groupon work for bookselling for a while now. And, apparently, so was Tony Hsieh. Because last week, Groupon featured his new book, Delivering Happiness (aff link), as what they’d call a secondary offer (it was positioned as a smaller offer next to the featured offer for a number of days.
Here’s what the offer page looked like:
The minimum was hit and the offer “tipped” or went live at the 1,000 book mark a little more than a day into it and ended up selling 1,642 books.
Question is…can you do what Tony did?
First, my sources have confirmed what I believed to be true. This deal was made directly with Tony, not through his publisher. Because the publishers can’t sell at a price low enough to make the numbers work. Could they sell to Groupon at 58% off? Yes, but remember, Groupon takes another 50% of the sale price, so publishers would actually have to sell the book at 79% discount to make this deal happen…and that will never fly (at least not for a new/non-remaindered book).
So, the deal would have to be done privately between the author and Groupon.
The likely scenario goes something like this: the author commits to buying the minimum (here it’s 1,000 books) from the publisher at a 60% discount, then eats the Groupon fee and shipping costs. In this case, that’d end up costing the author around $7 for each book sold for a loss of about $11,500.
Now, could Tony have struck a better deal with Groupon to be the first bookseller to try this? Sure, I’m guessing he did. But, I still can’t see how he could’ve walked with anything but a loss.
The question is why would he do this at a loss…and why might you?
Three potential reasons:
- If you feel there’s enough PR and advertising value in that (3 million people will be exposed to your book every day of the offer), you may be willing to chalk up the loss as promotional expense.
- If the book is more of a lead generation piece in a bigger business funnel, it may still make sense to take the loss in the name of sending thousands of new leads into your funnel in a matter of hours. And…
- If you’re self-published, there may be enough extra margin to allow you to make it through a group buying promotion without taking a loss.
So, where does this leave us?
First, you’ll have to do the deal yourself, traditional publishers won’t/can’t sell at a low enough discount to make it work. So, you’ll have to buy at your best discount, then take the loss incurred in paying Groupon or some other group buying service their fee, then figuring out how to cover the costs and logistics of shipping.
I’m still looking at this at a potential channel for my next book. But, truth is, the vast majority of authors aren’t willing to take the loss in the name of buzz. Nor do they have a bigger business funnel set up, making group buying sites, at least for now, not a hugely viable means of marketing and selling books.
Keep your eye on future book offers through these sites, though. There’s may be some interesting strategies that evolve over time.






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As a lead generation strategy this works, but also I wonder if these book sales count towards sales rankings and best sellers lists?
Another thought occurs where you talk about overhead .. Is Groupon only valid for physical products?
Pretty sure these would not count toward the big lists, but I don’t know for sure. I’ve been trying to find out from my contacts on the publishing side and most say no. On the other question, my mind was going there, too. Could you tap Groupon to sell ebooks, info-products, etc? Dunno. My guess is they’d be much more hesitant. But, I’ll be having those conversations and reporting back in the very near future.
I imagine there would be a sales uplift anyway even if not directly impacting the sales lists because of the immediate exposure as you mention, but also the hope would be those people talk about what they just bought or get it onto the radar some other way. If you can break even and max out the publicity then it might be a decent advertising event (after all, we are discussing it here).
I love this… wonder the best way to implement this in my local market for my next book… thoughts?
Hi Lewis – if you are looking to generate prospects and buzz locally with your next book, why not use groupon and include a free 1/2day local workship with the purchase of the book with some type of local group coaching or mastermind on the backend. I think there are many creative ways to utilize groupon.
Local workshop is a great idea. Is there a Groupon Type site exclusively for books? There is one for beer called beermenus.com
As you know, I’m willing to try it especially with the 2 yr anniversary of Denver Cereal coming up. I’ll report back!
Jonathan,
I’m so glad you wrote about this. I’ve been trying to figure out how to use groupon (or something like it) for informational products and/or specialty services (like programming, design etc.) for several clients.
Curious to see how things progress. No surprise that Tony managed to pull it off!
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. As you said, the numbers are tight but this may be an avenue worth considering. Particularly for high margin items.
I think you hit the nail when you brought up the marketing/promotion aspect but I wonder how this would work for a less well known author. Obviously Hsieh and Zappos are both big selling points.
Here’s a strategy though. Price your book at a huge loss to attract interest but place your min number required to “tip” high enough that a little-known author is unlikely to tip.
The offer is still seen by millions and generates interest even though it never “tips”.
I’m not convinced that Mr. Hsieh experienced a loss of about $11,500; especially for ‘some’ selling experience. When purchasing books en masse from one’s publisher, the buyer is absorbing the cost to have the books shipped. I highly doubt that he’s willing to then pay a second shipping cost per book delivery. People who have purchased autographed copies of my book have been willing to pay for the shipping cost (and I don’t charge a handling fee as does Amazon.com).
Mr Hsieh has ‘brand/name recognition’ – which probably gives him some leverage on getting a better discount from his publisher (than I do with CreateSpace, fomerly BookSurge). So I’ll just continue to refine my own marketing plan and use the Internet sell my book of Christian poetry.
–Joe Breunig
Author, Reaching Towards His Unbounded Glory
I love this strategy. Being self published and having a very good deal on the raw cost of books I would be delighted with a 1000 buyers to kickstart the life of a book (and I would make a small upfront profit too).
As Chris G comments, the big upside for me would be 1000 following up the call to action and free gifts in the book via my website. Meaning 1000 willing signups all of whom have paid money to be in my funnel.
A great way to begin an upsell/cross sell program
Hey Jonathan,
Your Tribal Author insights on the business behind the book business are interesting and I’m sure helpful to lots of authors. Thanks for this detailed analysis.
Best,
Scott
Interesting idea. As you mentioned, if you buy the books in bulk from the publisher, they likely won’t count toward the lists or royalties at the most discounted rate. But if you buy them from 800 CEO-READ, they count towards both. I purchased several hundred copes of The Myth of Stress from them and was happy with their service and their shipping time. It may work out to a little bit more money than buying from the publisher, but if you’re going to do something like what Tony Hsieh did, the amount you buy could put you on a bestseller list.
I understand the principle of why you’d eat a loss to get publicity but I’m still feeling a bit queasy about this. Is it vanity publishing at its extreme? You write a book and sell it at a loss so you can say you sold x copies/made a bestseller list or whatever…It’s interesting but not that appealing to me so far. Have to think about it:)
It’s only vanity if that publicity is your end goal. Loss-leaders are a valid way to get a prospects permission to follow up (just like supermarkets will attract customers with heavy discounts and make it up on loyalty or other products), and the best-sellers lists are vital if you want to use the book to enter the speaking circuit where there is good money to be made (apparently, you would have to ask people who are earning actual good $$$ doing speaking, heh).
Fascinating, Jonathan! As Siddhartha suggested, even if the offer doesn’t tip, you get the exposure to 3 million people. If your book has a potentially large target audience, getting that exposure alone might be worth it. But I agree that you have to have a product funnel already built for it to make sense — or some other well-thought-out strategy, not just bragging rights.
I would rather promote the book myself then have a company make an insane profit off my work. I make a nice profit myself by promoting my book online and doing a little leg work. It’s already ranking on Google.
DJ Smith
I love Groupon (going rafting with my kids this Friday w/ a 1/2 price ticket!), but never thought about its potential for authors. I agree that if there were a way to break even, this would be huge, free publicity. Maybe we could tinker with a couple of those figures.
I’m taking the liberty of thinking that Groupon might work the percentages a bit different than your figures. But I wonder if something like this would be workable?
1) You’ve got a 250 page paperback for sale on Amazon for $16.00 + shipping = $20.00
2) You sell it for 1/2 price on Groupon = $10 (including shipping)
3) Groupon takes their cut of $5
4) I get copies for $2 per copy (I think this might be the ballpark for an offset run of 3000 copies of a color cover, b/w interior, 250 p. book. (See http://www.fonerbooks.com/paper.htm). If you hold the rights to your book (as I do with CreateSpace), you could do this. Print it locally so you don’t have to pay shipping.)
5) I pay three dollars for shipping via media mail (including the forty cent cost of my bubble mailer, which I order in bulk.)
6) I break even.
A marketing-minded traditional publisher would have likely paid about $1.25 per book for a print run of 5000 copies and just might give 2000 of them to the author at their $1.25 rate for this Groupon deal.
Is this possible?
J. Steve Miller
President, Legacy Educational Resources
Author of Enjoy Your Money! How to Make It, Save It, Invest It and Give It
“The money book for people who hate money books.”
Hey Steve, yeah this is one of those scenarios where well organized self-published authors who are willing to spend a bit of money to make money may have a serious advantage.