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	<title>Comments on: Indie Authors and Rabbit Holes</title>
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		<title>By: Joel Friedlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Friedlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johathan,

Nice post, thanks for that. We are definitely in uncharted waters and it&#039;s likely to get a good deal more chaotic before any calm arrives. So much of the decision whether to publish indie or try to get a contract from a traditional publisher relies on the individual author, as you point out, and his or her predilections. And there&#039;s a big divide between fiction and nonfiction. Indie publishing has been a viable option for niche nonfiction authors for a very long time, and often a more profitable one. But the point you make about distribution is also valid: few indie publishers can really match the reach of traditional publishers.

The clients I&#039;ve had who have done the best on the indie route are motivated marketers who take the time and trouble to assemble a professional team to create and launch their book, and who have access to a population of people who will support the publication. For them, it works well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johathan,</p>
<p>Nice post, thanks for that. We are definitely in uncharted waters and it&#8217;s likely to get a good deal more chaotic before any calm arrives. So much of the decision whether to publish indie or try to get a contract from a traditional publisher relies on the individual author, as you point out, and his or her predilections. And there&#8217;s a big divide between fiction and nonfiction. Indie publishing has been a viable option for niche nonfiction authors for a very long time, and often a more profitable one. But the point you make about distribution is also valid: few indie publishers can really match the reach of traditional publishers.</p>
<p>The clients I&#8217;ve had who have done the best on the indie route are motivated marketers who take the time and trouble to assemble a professional team to create and launch their book, and who have access to a population of people who will support the publication. For them, it works well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Nettie - agreed, I&#039;m trying to get into the habit of saying Indie, myself, but it&#039;ll take time, lol

@ Annabel - Actually, I see the other side of the coin, truth is authors have always had to hustle audiences, but now technology has made it so much more affordable and accessible, we can take control with far greater ease. And, there are are already a bunch of super cheap or free ways to launch great looking websites and blogs if you know where to look and who to ask. I&#039;m about to have a whole lot more to say and offer around that topic in the very near future, i.e., January 2010. So, stay tuned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nettie &#8211; agreed, I&#8217;m trying to get into the habit of saying Indie, myself, but it&#8217;ll take time, lol</p>
<p>@ Annabel &#8211; Actually, I see the other side of the coin, truth is authors have always had to hustle audiences, but now technology has made it so much more affordable and accessible, we can take control with far greater ease. And, there are are already a bunch of super cheap or free ways to launch great looking websites and blogs if you know where to look and who to ask. I&#8217;m about to have a whole lot more to say and offer around that topic in the very near future, i.e., January 2010. So, stay tuned!</p>
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		<title>By: Annabel Candy, Get In the Hot Spot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annabel Candy, Get In the Hot Spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think it&#039;s sad that authors today have to hustle for readers and that the most successful writers may then be the most successful marketers, not necessarily the best or most creative writers.

The other thing that makes me sad is that many small authors realise the need to set up a website and be involved in a web campaign but as they have lower funds they tend to end up with a crappy site that will actively turn most readers away. 

I want to set up a specialised web design service for authors and guarantee them an effective website for a reasonable price. That&#039;s fair and it sucks seeing people being ripped off because they don&#039;t understand the web and apparently many web designers don&#039;t either:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think it&#8217;s sad that authors today have to hustle for readers and that the most successful writers may then be the most successful marketers, not necessarily the best or most creative writers.</p>
<p>The other thing that makes me sad is that many small authors realise the need to set up a website and be involved in a web campaign but as they have lower funds they tend to end up with a crappy site that will actively turn most readers away. </p>
<p>I want to set up a specialised web design service for authors and guarantee them an effective website for a reasonable price. That&#8217;s fair and it sucks seeing people being ripped off because they don&#8217;t understand the web and apparently many web designers don&#8217;t either:)</p>
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		<title>By: Nettie Hartsock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nettie Hartsock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has some good points. One of the things that I think is very much a gap simply in publishing terms is the continued usage of the term &quot;self-published&quot; instead of the term &quot;independently published.&quot; 

I hope at some point we all use the term independently published because it is the most apt and correct terminology to apply for the present and the future. I know of several authors who have independently published through iUniverse.com and have both the brick and mortar and click and mortar distribution with that service. (And no, I&quot;m not an affiliate of iUniverse.com!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has some good points. One of the things that I think is very much a gap simply in publishing terms is the continued usage of the term &#8220;self-published&#8221; instead of the term &#8220;independently published.&#8221; </p>
<p>I hope at some point we all use the term independently published because it is the most apt and correct terminology to apply for the present and the future. I know of several authors who have independently published through iUniverse.com and have both the brick and mortar and click and mortar distribution with that service. (And no, I&#8221;m not an affiliate of iUniverse.com!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom - No doubt, in fact, most people dont&#039; realize that Tim Ferris, author of the Four Hour Workweek phenomenon, wasn&#039;t really a blogger before the book launched. He had a smallish, cobbled together blog before that, but launched a new one to coincide with the book and, together, they helped to build his now giant platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom &#8211; No doubt, in fact, most people dont&#8217; realize that Tim Ferris, author of the Four Hour Workweek phenomenon, wasn&#8217;t really a blogger before the book launched. He had a smallish, cobbled together blog before that, but launched a new one to coincide with the book and, together, they helped to build his now giant platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Berarducci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Berarducci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it. Great followup. Thanks.

I&#039;m sure that, once you have been published by a traditional author at least once, your statements are absolutely correct. Not sure this is the same situation for a first-time author like me who has never been published. In this case the speed factor may be a little more exaggerated.

Agree completely about the editing comments. Could be a great advantage!

It is true that a great platform can help get a book published. But it may also be true that a great book, independently published, can help form the base for a great platform. I also know of some authors who independently published their first book as a way to establish credibility with traditional publishers for subsequent works.

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it. Great followup. Thanks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that, once you have been published by a traditional author at least once, your statements are absolutely correct. Not sure this is the same situation for a first-time author like me who has never been published. In this case the speed factor may be a little more exaggerated.</p>
<p>Agree completely about the editing comments. Could be a great advantage!</p>
<p>It is true that a great platform can help get a book published. But it may also be true that a great book, independently published, can help form the base for a great platform. I also know of some authors who independently published their first book as a way to establish credibility with traditional publishers for subsequent works.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tom - Speed can definitely be a factor. A few more thoughts on that. Most people don&#039;t know it, but if your book is time/news relevant, it can be &quot;crashed,&quot; meaning the publisher will greatly expedite the publication. And publishers like Wiley now regularly have a contract to publication cycle that is a fraction of certain other big pubs (generally months, not years). Still, let&#039;s say it takes you 12 months going traditional, in that time, you may indeed be able to write 2 books instead of one. But, 3 or 4? Full length? Beautifully designed? And, still have them be &quot;traditional&quot; level quality. Not likely. 

I write insanely quickly and, whether you lean on your publisher&#039;s editors or hire your own, the polish they add to your final product can be a tremendous advantage, but that editorial back and forth takes time. And, that time should be allowed for, because it&#039;s so worth it (provided your editor rocks). So, let&#039;s say you may be able to put out 2 books instead of one. There, we&#039;re in agreement, depending on the author and their bigger business plan, there may be a decided advantage.

And, regardless of whether you go self-publishing or traditional, there&#039;s still plenty of time to build your own platform IF THAT&#039;S YOUR PRIORITY. Wooing publishers doesn&#039;t take that much out of you. At least, it didn&#039;t for me.

Last thing, yes, my thoughts on filters is that the power has the potential to shift strongly over to the author and a much bigger group of trusted online filters, again, if they make a concerted effort to make it happen.

In the end, I&#039;m not arguing for traditional publishing, just exploring some of the claims and misconceptions out there about both worlds in an effort to help authors make the most informed decision possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tom &#8211; Speed can definitely be a factor. A few more thoughts on that. Most people don&#8217;t know it, but if your book is time/news relevant, it can be &#8220;crashed,&#8221; meaning the publisher will greatly expedite the publication. And publishers like Wiley now regularly have a contract to publication cycle that is a fraction of certain other big pubs (generally months, not years). Still, let&#8217;s say it takes you 12 months going traditional, in that time, you may indeed be able to write 2 books instead of one. But, 3 or 4? Full length? Beautifully designed? And, still have them be &#8220;traditional&#8221; level quality. Not likely. </p>
<p>I write insanely quickly and, whether you lean on your publisher&#8217;s editors or hire your own, the polish they add to your final product can be a tremendous advantage, but that editorial back and forth takes time. And, that time should be allowed for, because it&#8217;s so worth it (provided your editor rocks). So, let&#8217;s say you may be able to put out 2 books instead of one. There, we&#8217;re in agreement, depending on the author and their bigger business plan, there may be a decided advantage.</p>
<p>And, regardless of whether you go self-publishing or traditional, there&#8217;s still plenty of time to build your own platform IF THAT&#8217;S YOUR PRIORITY. Wooing publishers doesn&#8217;t take that much out of you. At least, it didn&#8217;t for me.</p>
<p>Last thing, yes, my thoughts on filters is that the power has the potential to shift strongly over to the author and a much bigger group of trusted online filters, again, if they make a concerted effort to make it happen.</p>
<p>In the end, I&#8217;m not arguing for traditional publishing, just exploring some of the claims and misconceptions out there about both worlds in an effort to help authors make the most informed decision possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Berarducci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Berarducci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog on this topic, Jonathan. In fact, I just blogged about it as well [click on my name for the link or go to whatnottodotheblog dot com]. You make a great point about the distribution channel issue. But what about the speed issue I speak about in my blog? If you go the traditional route it will take a lot longer. In the same amount of time you can crank out 3-4 books. You can work on your platform. You can blog. You can speak. In the time it takes to woo one publisher and get one book out the door, you can talk to a ton of potential customers!

Not sure I get your comment about filters. You seem to be saying that, in the future, influential authors will be the best filters. Is that correct? If so, the publishing power will then be distributed amongst a larger base of people who have the permission to speak about other author&#039;s offerings. I guess that&#039;s better than what we have today. If so, I think you and I should get acquainted!

Thanks for the great stuff.

tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog on this topic, Jonathan. In fact, I just blogged about it as well [click on my name for the link or go to whatnottodotheblog dot com]. You make a great point about the distribution channel issue. But what about the speed issue I speak about in my blog? If you go the traditional route it will take a lot longer. In the same amount of time you can crank out 3-4 books. You can work on your platform. You can blog. You can speak. In the time it takes to woo one publisher and get one book out the door, you can talk to a ton of potential customers!</p>
<p>Not sure I get your comment about filters. You seem to be saying that, in the future, influential authors will be the best filters. Is that correct? If so, the publishing power will then be distributed amongst a larger base of people who have the permission to speak about other author&#8217;s offerings. I guess that&#8217;s better than what we have today. If so, I think you and I should get acquainted!</p>
<p>Thanks for the great stuff.</p>
<p>tom</p>
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